Economic Development Committee – May 12, 2022

With a presentation by Jennifer Dart, Deputy Director, Arcata Community Development Department
Her presentation starts at around 7:27 on the video.

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On May 12, 2022, Community Development Deputy Director Jennifer Dart made a presentation to the Arcata Economic Development Committee and fielded questions from members of the Committee and from the public. The May 12th presentation is considered to be better and covers more material — the discussions of the Gateway area went on for over an hour.  This presentation went into some of the thornier issues at greater depth, and includes discussions with members of the Economic Development Committee as well as comments from members of the community. However this 10-minute version does capture much of the strong points of her talk.

Transcription of the video:

Transcription of the video

We’ll call it start to this

meeting by the economic development committee May 12th

we’ll start with the roll call we have Travis Cuna  I’m here

we have Humnath who’s not present yet

and then we have Walt Geist, we have Amanda Hickey

we have Linda Kjesbu here and then Monique Molina

who has also yet to join us and then we’ll move into

oh and I’m here Serge Mahila the chair of course we’ll move into the oral communications

this this item is provided for people to address the economic development committee and submit written

communications on the matter on matters not on the agenda at the conclusion of all oral and written communications the

economic development committee may respond to the statements any request that requires edc attention will be set

by the edc for a future agenda or referred to staff

so do we have any we do we have one person I’m going to go ahead

go David Hi I’m not hello Hi Patricia you’re unmute yep there you go

all right Hi so

I watched the historic landmarks committee meeting

and Gerard Takano who is the preservation consultant working with Planwest

very eloquently talked about the notable historic sites within the Gateway

area and one of which included the l street railroad corridor and he

thought it was a very important economic asset for the city um

he also felt that it should be integrated into of that part of

Arcata’s history should be integrated into all planning for the area it would make for a

better entry into the city he felt if that history was highlighted and so

I am of course a big proponent for really

ins and really enhancing that l street bicycle pedestrian path

I think it would be just a great Gateway on bicycle for the cyclists that are coming

and visiting into Arcata especially if the railroad history was

highlighted and those prac those tracks I didn’t know before but they were previously

determined to be eligible for for the national national registry

so that trail is actually going to be part of the great redwood trail which is the

320 mile conversion of tracks to trail that’s

coming from Sacramento or from San Francisco excuse me to an ending in Blue

Lake and the Blue Lake section will be on the Annie Mary trail which we

are currently trying to get underway and so I really really would advocate

for doing rail to trail and not rail to road as it’s kind of proposed to get

kind of squash a pretty main thoroughfare in there along l street with the Gateway

plans so I also think it would be an awesome linear park and that’s kind

of what it’s used for now I live right on the edge of it so I see the activity

I’m kind of biased but I think there’s you know sandy giantoli’s birth sanctuary memorial in

there there could be a great area for art installations with the Creamery District um

there’s it could be like bushy ball or table tennis and I think it would just be a really good way to highlight the

arts community with the creamery district as well

and playgrounds basketball courts etc so anyway so that’s kind of my push and

I just think that corridor is such a huge asset it was such a great um

addition to our city that we should really be enhancing it so and especially for the economic

economic of it I think it would bring a lot into Arcata so anyways thank you

for letting me talk all right thank you Patricia

and then Jen are the the comments from the last one from and I have it in

the email about the relevant to this section I was

wondering no the next so you’re going to move into approval of minutes those were com public comment about the item the

business item one okay I understood okay so we’ll move into

item three the approval of the minutes number one we will approve the economic development committee regular

meeting from February 1st of 2022 minutes

would anyone move to that we approve this move to approve the minutes I second it

okay here movement in a second oh should we go i’ll go one by one Travis

all right and then Linda hi

Amanda Hi I also vote I that we approve the minutes

so we’ll move into two the approval of the minutes from the regular meeting of april 5th 2022 does anyone move to

approve those minutes i’ll move to it for the minutes

a second lovely and Linda i

try best I might as well vote I to approve those

minutes which will move us into number four the business and action items number one

we’ll have a discussion on the business types located within the Gateway area plan boundary

which I suppose that is this the one that that

or is the item b yeah this the item b discussion yep so I will go ahead and if

you’ll bear with me just a second I have a slideshow to go through with you and this let’s see

okay can you see that yep can you just see the businesses in

the Gateway area or do you see my notes no we don’t see the nodes

okay good last time I shared it I shared it with all my notes you don’t want all my notes you just want the actual slide

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So, good evening, Economic Development Committee members.

I’m bringing back the topic that we had at our February meeting to discuss businesses and economic development in the Gateway Area Plan and the Gateway area in general.

I know that EDC members and members of the public had some questions at that meeting and so I’m going to try and address those tonight. I’m sure there will always be more questions but I wanted to at least go back and go over some of the questions that came up at that meeting.

So the topics I’m going to go over tonight are

• Allowable land uses in the draft Gateway Area Plan
• Business and employment data for that area, business types in the Gateway area
• We’re going to go briefly over some retail sales tax data — it’s relevant but, you know, not quite as exciting as the rest of it.
• Go over a definition of what non-conforming means
• And then some common questions and concerns addressing some of those.

So the purpose of the Gateway Area Plan is to move away from use-based zoning.  Based on the current draft plan, all the uses that are listed here would be allowable.  And the large majority of businesses in the Gateway area fall into these categories.

[slide of Allowable Land Uses, 8:39]

We’ll talk a little bit more about that in a later slide.

One of the comments that we’ve received is that light industrial uses should be kept in the plan.  I just really want to point out that light manufacturing — which is a light industrial use — is actually part of this plan. Based on the current draft, it would be an allowable use.

Any new construction or expansion would need to have a housing component in order to take advantage of the streamlining allowed in the plan. So that is true if housing isn’t a component, then they would need to go through the planning and design review processes that currently exist.

So I just want to make it really clear that there is a pathway if housing is not a component.

So  — oh go ahead is it appropriate so yeah go ahead clarification –

Walt Geist

So, functionally, you have light industrial and light manufacturing.  Is light manufacturing a subset of light industrial?

Jennifer Dart

You know, it’s just how it’s classified. I was looking at that as well and I think that it’s just it’s just for our business license purposes.  When we get down to talking about how the different businesses are classified, it is a little, it is a little funky. I should probably get the definition, the specific definition for light manufacturing but I can do that.  But yes, I would think that that would be correct, Walt

Walt Geist

Yeah, I would like to make sure that’s clarified so that there isn’t, you know, you get down to the eleventh hour and suddenly Roget’s Thesaurus says “Yeah, that’s not the same thing.”

Jennifer Dart

I think in the land use code, I think this is something that’s come up, this has come up before.  And I think that part of the tricky part is that right now we’re looking at a plan but we don’t have the zoning code associated with that plan –– which gives much more detail.  And so you’re looking at kind of an over-arching plan, like a big –

Walt Geist

— conceptualization –

Jennifer Dart

Exactly, and the difficulty for people to not be able to dig into the minutia of the actual draft form-based code makes it really complicated — and unnerving to many people.

It’s, like, Okay, what is this exactly and what are those definitions?  And so I think that once we get that draft out it will make a little more sense.  There will be a lot more clarity.  And I’m excited to hopefully be able to bring that soon, because I think that would be something that I know that this group and many other groups would be interested in digging into more.

Walt Geist

And my piggyback question, oh sorry Linda go ahead, Linda go ahead.

Linda Kjesbu

Oh, I was just wanting to make sure I heard you correctly, Jen, that there is a path for some businesses — I don’t know, you know pick some, Holly Yashi or something — that they want to expand, that they don’t need to have the housing component.  Or does all expansion have to have houses?

Jennifer Dart

No.  So in order to take advantage of the streamlining that’s allowed in this plan you would need to have a housing component.  But if you did not have a housing component and you’re Holly Yashi — we love Holly Yashi, we don’t want you to move to somewhere else, a less desirable city than Arcata, we want you to stay right where you are.  And our Planning Commission I’m sure is going to agree with that as well.

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and so there’s a process which is the same process that they would go through right now

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okay yeah it’s the same process that they would go through right now in order to do that so nothing really changes on

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that aspect for that particular thing because there’s no housing component which we would love for them to build housing above their manufacturing site

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that’d be fantastic but if it’s not feasible and doesn’t make sense there’s still a pathway for those businesses oh

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yes yeah so uh canada sorry yeah but actually my question is just uh

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follow-up question of Linda uh so the gateway plan  my understanding was like you know

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everything’s gonna have housing components so that’s how it’s gonna help us to uh deal with these storage of the houses

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we have here in the city uh so how does this uh  the plan will help

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us to address this housing situation right now yeah because if somebody wants to have office space and

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doesn’t really have to have the housing component and can make retail  things then there is no housing

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component so how it’s gonna help us actually increase the number of houses or affordable houses from the community

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so it allows for streamlining for housing so it encourages housing development as the priority

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um it doesn’t require it so if you’re an existing if you’re something new like you’re coming in and you have a new

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vacant lot then you’re going to need to go through this through the same steps you’re going to

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have to go through this process but if you’re and there’s not a lot honestly of vacant lots here it’s really

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more to encourage housing development and to allow it where right now this isn’t the zoning

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isn’t set for that so yeah it’s it’s more of an encouragement I think than anything else

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but it doesn’t mean that if you’re an existing business or an existing single-family residence in this area

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that you suddenly have to go out and change  change what you’re doing so that’s

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yeah that it’s definitely a tricky balance basically it’s kind of re-zoning so  allow to build residential

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um or yeah it’s increasing the allowable uses is what it’s doing so it’s increasing the allowable uses

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where right now the allowable uses are much more limited this is going to increase the allow

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increase the allowable uses to include more residential and high high density residential so what happens

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if a business uh  they have a  office space or something they would like to

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build a residential is that going to be covered on that thing yeah we would welcome that as a matter

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of fact we would encourage that yeah that’s actually the that’s the loophole that would let somebody basically build

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um additional facilities  the thing that strikes me and I  I’m picking up on some of the

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the correspondence that’s been submitted and  and listening to the presentation I understand where they’re

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coming from because that um [Music]

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anytime you have residential interfacing with agricultural manufacturing anything really anything

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other than just peaceful quiet enjoyment of your living room people complain and

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it it can be  very disruptive to the business to have to address

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the um  to to try and mitigate something that they’ve been doing for 50

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years um because the new neighbor doesn’t like well and i’ll give you a perfect example

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the logger bar the logger bar has been around for 100 years and now they can’t have music

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and it’s it’s a shame because that really is an institution in blue lake and

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the neighbors don’t want it and they moved next to a bar they knew when they bought their house that they

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were living next to a bar and that’s not to specify anybody it’s just you i’ve seen it a hundred times where

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people move in next to agricultural properties and they don’t like the way sheep smell so and it’s it creates a real problem for

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the farmer who is now suddenly dealing with  an obstructionist neighbor

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so I i  I and I don’t know how I don’t I don’t have a good answer for

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this but the concern is very legitimate no I completely see where you’re coming from and I think that that there is a

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concern like that but it this particular area of town is already very mixed you

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have single family homes in here that are right you have single family homes right next to amerigas you have single-family homes  butting up

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to many of the businesses that are that are here so I think in a lot of ways this already has some of that

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um  it’s really nice and walkable the creamery district district is there the rest  the pub is

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there it’s just uh the trail which a lot of people have been talking about recently that’s

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that’s there I walk it all the time I think that also the ability to

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be right downtown is something  that I think people will maybe look at and say you

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know what it’s maybe worth living next door to whatever this might be

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um until they move in well like I said some of them I mean we we can do we can only do so much yeah

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well and that is and that’s exactly the point that I wanted to get to which is that we

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when you move from a cons concept to actually like putting ink on a map

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um these businesses I think deserve some level of protection

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um to the extent that they’re in existing conforming use and that they are going to have people

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who with very few permits are going to be allowed to build high density housing directly next door to the guy who’s

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running an auto shop or  or Amerigas which  you look at

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LPG, the concerns around

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terminals for on the coasts I mean that’s no joke and you will have people who are very concerned

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um regardless of the track record they will have a concern that will have a glimmer of of legitimacy and you will

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find those businesses getting a lot of pressure I do not know if there is a way to incorporate assurances into this to

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say hey look  you are under notice if you are building within x

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whatever period of space you are building a residential unit within this area that has an impact with

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light industrial that you accept that that is  your lot in life that this is

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that’s built into the property value that’s built into everything else um and I it’s just a possible solution

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but I do think it’s an important thing to address because at the end of the day businesses are the lifeblood of our

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community and we need them yeah we do and i’ll keep going i’ll keep going through my slide and you’ll get to some

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of the some of it’ll I think it’ll happen but I do this is where a lot of concern has been leveled so I want to make sure

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we’re on it absolutely okay so one of the questions that came

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up in the previous meeting was how many businesses and jobs are in the Gateway area currently so

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based on the data from the city business license uh from our city business licenses there’s

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approximately 166 businesses in the Gateway area um this information is from 2021 i’m

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trying to get the 2022 data but I just  it’s it’s a little bit old but not terribly out of date

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these businesses employ about 376 people total

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the gateway encompasses about nine percent of business licenses in the city and about four percent of the total jobs

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about 20 of the businesses in the Gateway area do not have employees

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so I was working with the employment development department to get the jobs data because I felt like it was more

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accurate than our business licenses we do actually ask for that information on the business licenses but I just feel

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like the employment development department has obviously the most accurate numbers and so we got that

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information from them um the employment development department also

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provided the heat map which I think was interesting and I wanted to share it with you guys because I thought that you would all find it fascinating as well

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you can see downtown and hsu the hsu is the bubble to

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the east of the highway and the cluster downtown obviously is  a lot of

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our businesses there’s also quite a few and that I wanted to point out up in the valley west and aldergrove area so

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you’ll see some larger employers there too so the bigger bubbles are the larger employers um and we can dig a little bit more into

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this map I can actually he just sent this over as like a written to you guys but we can we can

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dig into that a little more a different meaning possibly go ahead I’m just wondering jen and thank you for

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having sent some of this information and the thread in advance was useful um and I looked through there and it seemed

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like currently there’s 13 over 13 businesses that are manufacturing

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um I’m not sure what other ones down there would be considered part of that light industrial bracket that’s become

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such a hot zone of discussion um do you do  about how many others I should include like if I were

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to determine which of these 166 are the light industrial um

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yep I can get that information for you and kind of it’s they’re listed as

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manufacturing so the way that our clean business is employing it looked like some of them

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employed maybe 15 or 20 people yeah and i’ll actually go through some more slides and get to some more of that data

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too great thanks sure I think this next slide will help you

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okay so this graph shows business types in the Gateway area so we broke it up broke

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it out based on what they put on their business license so this is what they’ve self-identified as

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there’s um retail which is the highest manufacturing and consulting is the next

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this is where manufacturing is where I think you’ll find um and I can double check on this but I think it’s like wing

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inflatables this is where you’re going to find marimba this is where you’re going to find

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Holly Yashi so those are all in there um rental

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is a category which it says cons oh no there we go consulting is the next one

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so consulting firms and then rental is a category in orange that’s actually because we require rental um rental

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units with a certain number to list to pull a business license so i

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wouldn’t I put them in there just because I felt like it’s important to show that that they are part of the number that they’re part of the whole

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166 but I wouldn’t assume that most of those have a lot of um employees if if

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any maybe  a property manager or something like that um let’s see

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there are 11 businesses that identify as auto repair or parts and I know this question has come up before

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but these would be allowable uses so I just want to be really clear on that because that question has come up

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multiple times miscellaneous services includes things like marketing detailing seamstress work

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and graphic design and then the next one that actually isn’t even doesn’t even show up on here because it just sort of

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falls off at this point there’s a lot of individual just like one-off businesses um but home occupations was the next one

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on the list and so that was more of like um yoga there was a dance

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kind of something handyman services those kind of things so

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so this slide gives a snapshot of the retail sales tax that’s generated in the Gateway area

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and I wanted to also include the creamery district in this just so that you can get an idea now the creamery

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district numbers are inside the Gateway area so this information is from hdl

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which is where we get a lot of our tax information from um

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the Gateway area represents about eight percent of our total sales tax revenue depending on the quarter but that’s

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that’s about what it what it averages to um just I thought that this would be

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helpful I’m not going to go into this in too much detail if you guys want more information on this at a later date we can also talk about it and I can

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I can pull more hdl data we just ask them to add the Gateway area

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um as a boundary so that we can pull this information so we obviously it was

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not a boundary before the creamery district has been but so yeah this is just some information

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there on retail sales tax so this question has come up a lot

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this is from our land use code this is the definition for non-conforming use um

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based on the information that I’m seeing here there’s about five or six businesses

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that would be considered non-conforming use with the current draft plan

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these businesses would be allowed to continue indefinitely they could rebuild if they were destroyed and they could be

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generally maintained but they would lose non-conforming status if they cease to operate for 12 months

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if the structure like we talked about earlier if the structure didn’t conform to the code but wanted to expand they could still do so

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through the planning permit process they would just not get the streamlining if they were conforming so if

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they were like you said maybe Holly Yashi if they came in and said we’re going to build we’re going to expand our business

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but we also want our employees to have a place to live so we’re going to build second story or third story apartments

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above us that would be considered conforming and they could potentially use the

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streamline process to do that and I also while we’re here just wanted

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to point out that there are many non-conforming uses and structures throughout the city this is very common

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um I would say an example of this is the current residential uses that are in the Gateway area

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they’re currently legal non-conforming and they have been for a very long time so this is not not an uncommon not an

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uncommon thing at all the other thing that I just feel like to touch on is again the purpose is to give

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more flexibility and allow more uses with an emphasis on housing development so it’s not

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to take away that flexibility it’s really to move away from the

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uses as the reason it’s like we want there to be  whatever it is that that the community needs we want there

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to be able to be there um and so trying to limit that

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hopefully that makes sense so some common concerns how many

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businesses and jobs would have to  how many businesses would have to close and jobs would be lost due to this plan

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none so we’re not asking businesses to close we’re not even asking heavy industrial or many storage businesses

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that would be identified as non-conforming to close and we anticipate that the many storages are going to continue to be mini storages

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we hope someday they decide they want to build housing on top of those that would be fantastic [Laughter]

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based on the business licenses we have and and I’m going to say five or six here how many businesses will become

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non-conforming i’ve heard rumor that there’s two lumber mills our business licenses only show

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one and the one that it does show to me um doesn’t seem to be

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to fit the heavy industrial but i’d have to look into that a little bit more so as I’m not that familiar with that

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business so this is an approximate five or six um

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is what we’re showing right now I think this is really important to

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point out because this question has come up a lot will local land order owners and

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developers be able to build in the Gateway area or are we just giving giving

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outside investment corporations and developers a gift

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to be able to come and build giant buildings so the plan isn’t designed to benefit large developers and I just also

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really want to be clear that the minimum new building height is two stories incentives start at three stories and

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most of our local developers have the capacity to develop at this height so we

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want to encourage our local developers to continue to work in our area and to develop housing like they have

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been we really appreciate our developers and our local community employ employing

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local construction workers so

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and another common concern and this one this one is it’s a good concern and this came up um

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when we were doing the commercial cannabis innovation zone two it’s like what’s going to happen if my business

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has to be relocated because housing is being built there the plan is really focused on affordable

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housing so i’d like to just start with that most if not all of our affordable

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housing is developed using state and federal funding relocation assistance for both

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businesses and residential uses is required with this funding so if

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you’re having to relocate someone who is renting or even

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a business that is in that space you would have to go through and create a relocation plan that would have to be

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approved by the state or federal funding usually it’s housing community development hcd through the state they would have to

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approve that plan and financial assistance if relocation assistance would be required for businesses or for

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someone renting a home so if it’s market rate that gets a little trickier and I want to just

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say right off the bat that the city is willing to work with businesses to find appropriate locations to relocate and i

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do think that we need to be more explicit in our plan I know that that language that’s in our plan right now

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the policy language isn’t really clear and so I do want to to talk about

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that a little bit more too because I do think that this is a really a really legitimate concern it’s like if I’m renting a place and now somebody’s

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going to build housing there what’s going to happen to me where am I going to go and we do want to continue to keep

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businesses in Arcata we do have a couple sites so I don’t know if you’re all familiar but we have

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the happy valley site over in alder grove it’s a fairly large property and the idea when it was

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purchased was that it would be subdivided into more of a business park similar to alder grove

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so that’s one one possibility the other is the little lake industry

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site which is off samoa which we had applied for a cleanup grant for and I’m happy to announce to everyone today that

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we learned actually this morning that we were awarded the epa cleanup application

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and so we’ll be we will be getting to clean up that site and start potentially planning for reuse

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so I’m really excited about that that was the win for today for me um

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so yeah with that I’m going to go ahead and turn it over to

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you guys and it looks like Linda and Amanda both have their hands up so feel free to

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shoot questions my way I think Amanda was had her hand up before me so excellent

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it could be a possibly really quick one I was just wondering if um there’d been any analysis on how

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rezoning uh the gateway district to um  put the plan in

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action would impact property values yeah so we did some of that with our

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info market study at the very beginning and from everything that we have

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we have learned so far is it would just increase the property values because there’s more development potential and

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opportunity there so that’s what I was thinking it’s a pretty big transfer to those owners in that zone that’s great

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yeah thank you sure go ahead Linda um yeah I was just I i

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apologize for if I’m being ignorant about this but um I don’t live that very

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far away from um aldergrove and I the happy valley is that the old lp

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mill or is that a different because I had thought the city had bought that at one point

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and it was going to be used for some business type I don’t know if it was the old lp mill or or not but if  where elves is

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yeah it’s behind elves okay so you would drive we have a i

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think an easement or they have an easement I’m not sure through like where you would actually just go drive right through their

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like into their into their uh yard and you go all the way back and there’s a gate back there and and the city right

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now leases it out to I think a couple different um a couple different businesses for different purposes a log

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a log deck I think for um that’s why I was wondering if it was the

33:25

old um the old flake board mill because they have a log pawn down no it’s not the flake board so we actually oh okay

33:30

no it’s not the flake board so the um the flake-board we had alone Bob Figas bought the flake-board

33:38

from yeah it went through a foreclosure process and then the city ended up uh ended up with it we had a

33:45

fairly large loan with Humboldt with a Humble flakeboard plant and they defaulted and went through that

33:51

whole process but Bob Figas ended up purchasing that so no it’s it’s a vacant part it’s not i

33:56

thought it was just Britt Lumber that he bought so he might about that too

34:02

i’m not that familiar but I do know that no it’s not it’s not a blackboard and it is kind of an interesting property because it is back there behind Alves

34:09

so okay I was just curious about that

34:18

I had a quick question um I was looking at like the in particular like what like the

34:24

businesses and stuff that would open and I saw like a lot of like restaurants and stuff like that that would be cool um

34:30

definitely needed in the area um but I was just wondering if there was any special considerations to prevent um

34:37

because with all these new spaces I just like worry about thinking about like a bunch of dispensaries opening like more

34:42

than there already are and so kind of using that yeah already now it’s kind of crazy just

34:48

walking through like the lower half of the Gateway um I know it’s humble and stuff no I know

34:55

the the dispensary actually that went to the city council at the last meeting to have the

35:01

conversation about whether or not um we need to reduce the cap I think the cap

35:06

was set at 15 and they’re discussing uh reducing it to 10 I believe so they’ve instructed our staff to go

35:14

back and and start looking at that language and what we need to do there so we just brought we just brought it up as

35:19

a a topic just because there are quite a few now and and it’s somewhat saturated in

35:26

particular areas one of the council members did ask for um just some more information about whether

35:32

or not we can uh set something up so that you can space them so that there would have to be distance between them instead of

35:38

having them like right next to each other and that kind of thing but yeah that that’s actually being discussed separately from from this it’s it’s just

35:44

something that has come up though so yeah good question

35:50

go ahead well  I was just wondering uh do we have any incentive for the

35:55

businesses to move in that Gateway area does that plan include any of those like  giving some year tax break or

36:01

some incentive so that we can get more businesses in the area it doesn’t at this point have anything

36:08

like that in it there is some information if you want to look about employment in the plan I do

36:15

think it could be more robust um I think that when we’re looking at in our next topic

36:21

which we’re going to talk about what we’re going to what what surge is going to bring to the city council chair study session I think

36:28

that the updates to the economic development strategic plan would be something that

36:34

we we could start identifying um identifying areas that that would be maybe appropriate for

36:43

thank you sure thank you jen I actually had one question maybe

36:50

as far as the business types and uses as they’re gonna continue to be the

36:55

um limitation on franchise is are they gonna get a certain number

37:02

through the gateway there’s a number overall for the whole city I know but are we gonna add more for the gateway district do you think or

37:08

we’re just going to spread the promote I cannot fathom them adding more to it okay

37:14

I mean did you want to open a franchise in the gateway I’m just wondering of course I would love to see it continue

37:21

to be that but maybe it would be nice if there was one  how they’re kind of like spaced out yeah

37:26

zones I don’t know I thought maybe it would be appropriate to have because  some people do like it you know

37:33

oh I know we’re getting a subway across the street so oh really it was one of the last ones yeah there I think that

37:39

that that and Dominoes yeah the Domino’s got one I’m pretty sure those two were the last two

37:45

so I think we’re at our cap right now for franchise businesses they had a conversation about this

37:51

maybe six months ago um at city council about what they wanted to do and it seems like you know

37:58

really looking at local trying to keep it more focused on local businesses and you see what’s happening  in

38:03

Eureka and and places like that that are kind of they’re actually looking at doing something similar to what we did because

38:10

they’re kind of inundated to it seems like yeah they kind of absorbed I think what we didn’t what we didn’t allow no wow

38:18

they took them all but yeah this is something to think about um as they open up there’s gonna be so many

38:25

more people down there that maybe it would be an idea to have more subway style people like that I don’t

38:31

know well anyways thanks for that wonderful presentation that was right

38:36

Amanda did you have a question too yeah but it’s actually more about the allowable housing types and building

38:43

types and it’s um overlaps a bit with some tidbits we received in written communication so if you want me to

38:49

reserve that for later I can no go I mean go yeah go ahead and i’ll

38:55

try and answer it I don’t know if okay okay yeah i’ll do my best there was this um one of the written the

39:02

comments we received over written communication brought up the issue of building equity um

39:08

in the Gateway area home equity um for current and future residents of Arcata

39:14

and I think it’s a really important point um the respondent whoever was was writing i

39:20

think erroneously commented that when you have a six-story building it’s it’s going to be a rental apartment and not

39:26

owner occupied and that’s not true you can absolutely um develop even affordable housing on a

39:32

like a community land model but I am wondering what incentives or

39:38

um the kind of like appropriate parcels that have been identified in that area

39:43

um to encourage use of that kind of yeah some of that actually will be coming out

39:49

I think in the form based code as well I think more details surrounding that um we have worked we

39:56

actually partner with what used to be housing humboldt which is now rural communities on their community land trust program and I i

40:02

reached out to Beth a couple weeks ago because we’re looking at potentially applying for additional cdbg funds and we’ve talked about the

40:10

community land trust as a way to allow for ownership opportunities for

40:15

lower income folks and expanding that would be something that we would definitely be interested in doing

40:21

it’s difficult to operate a community land trust on a small scale and not have a lot of of those kind of

40:28

opportunities but yes there is ownership opportunities in in those types of developments like you

40:35

said I know that it’s not common here um but when where I lived in southern california um

40:42

briefly I’m from here but I did live there for a brief amount of time and the first ownership opportunity I had was a

40:49

condo and that was something that was very uh it was a

40:54

very familiar a lot of people lived in in those types of it was a three story

40:59

I had the first story i’d think about it um and  we we

41:05

had a little yard and it was great I loved it um so there there is the ability to develop

41:13

with ownership models and I think that that’s going to be something that we’ll have to look at as far as um an amenity

41:18

and I think we’ve talked a little bit about the amenities and what those might look like um but those would be coming

41:23

out in the form based code so yeah more to come on that but I will I will definitely bring back to the team

41:30

that and I think that they’re aware but the ownership opportunities or something that that are really important and i

41:35

agree like building that equity and having that ownership it just has a different feel and it is

41:41

nice and it’s difficult to um it’s difficult to do that because we don’t have a lot of single family

41:48

housing being built right now so looking at other models and ways that we can do that are important thanks Amanda

41:55

well just just a quick question uh before we move forward uh so uh Jennifer

42:02

I was uh just  uh wondering like you just mentioned that we have the cap on franchise business so really

42:09

uh what is the cap for syria pocket I mean what kind of business or do we have any category or  how many

42:15

numbers in total I think it’s ten um I don’t know I don’t I don’t have the ordinance

42:20

memorized but I believe it’s ten um and they have a definition for what they consider a franchise business

42:28

one of the questions I think that was being kind of discussed was  um

42:34

a Church’s Chicken inside a Chevron is that considered a franchise business and I think what they actually came back

42:40

with was yes they felt like it was so um obviously you know

42:46

a chain of any sort so like McDonald’s, Carl’s Jr uh

42:51

one of the one of the ones that I think is coming to valley west is dutch bro dutch bros and

42:56

so that was another question like okay Dutch Bros obviously it seems to be a franchise business and so they had some

43:04

discussion around it but it is in our ordinance and hum not I can point you to that so that you can get more information on it if you want to get

43:10

clarity about what is and isn’t considered franchise business and I do think it’s ten but okay yeah there’s

43:16

also subsets of where they can be located which is an interesting aspect of that regulation

43:22

so that is something to be aware of i’ll send it out to all of you because it sounds like you guys are interested in

43:27

it and I think that it would be worth looking at yeah it’s a definitely important part of this committee because

43:32

I mean  we talk about the economic development and then we have all these kind of caps and  yeah

43:37

obviously we want to protect our local businesses but at the same time also we want to be competitive  in terms

43:42

of the opportunities for employment and other opportunities for our citizens so obviously it’s very important thing

43:49

for us absolutely yeah I think

43:54

it keeps us keeps Arcata arcade uh  by by standing on that ground and

43:59

then what you get  the more hometown feel so I love that I also love what Amanda said

44:05

about um that equity I think that would be really something special for us to do that doesn’t happen a lot up here and we are

44:11

totally that spirit as arcade of spreading the equity and allowing it to be investible by not just a huge

44:18

developer but  a model like that could be very creative and I think people would really appreciate that

44:25

another model that oh sorry another model that i’ve been thinking a lot about and that has been brought up at

44:32

some of our previously at some of our housing equity group meetings was the co-op model

44:37

and I am not completely familiar with them but I do think that that is another way that we

44:43

should start maybe looking into I know that um I do know from my past experience in

44:49

finance that it’s difficult to finance them and I don’t know if that’s because of california regulations I know

44:55

that on the east coast they’re very very much normal that’s something that that happens there but

45:01

um I think it’s something we could look into more too is that co-op model and that’s something I think people here would really appreciate we love our

45:07

co-op models so yeah well go ahead yeah um

45:13

I want to say yes I agree with that I was going to ask if  one of the things that’s kind of a center pin of

45:18

this um plan is that you get brownie points and an offset point for

45:25

whatever it is but it’s a cafeteria plan right you can put in a bike rack or you can do this or you can do that  incorporating something

45:32

that is  an ownership related um might be

45:37

a way to facilitate to get um  to to grease the skids a little bit for

45:43

people to own um the other thing that I wanted to say and this is wheeling it back a little bit

45:49

is you were talking about employees being jobs and a single a sole proprietorship

45:55

may not have an employee but it does provide a job so you’ve got family-owned businesses

46:00

that may employ several family members um and I just want to make sure that that’s not getting lost in the translation

46:08

um that employee and job is not necessarily the same thing so right

46:17

so do we want to open it up for public comment or do you guys have any other questions or want me to

46:23

I think we’re ready to open it up for public comment if anybody if everybody agrees

46:30

okay

46:36

okay oh what the heck

46:42

sorry I’m having technical difficulties hold on there we go

46:48

patricia

46:54

i’m sorry I never unmuted for the first from the first time sorry oh okay

47:03

okay i’ll go to the next one

47:09

all right colin hi can you hear me yeah great

47:14

so um my name is colin fisk I’m the executive director of crtp the coalition for responsible transportation

47:20

priorities and  we’re big supporters of the gateway plan and I think really the potential for

47:28

a vibrant  mixed use development with improved transportation amenities you

47:35

know better transit better bike and pedestrian facilities is a really big economic opportunity for

47:40

the city um I really wanted to pick up on the point about alternative

47:45

ownership models as well I was going to bring that up and was very pleased to hear that that that was already a point of

47:51

discussion and I think that is a great idea to um to incentivize those types of models

47:58

co-ops land trusts condos etc and I think one additional benefit of that potentially is that since we’re

48:04

hopefully looking at mixed-use buildings it might provide sort of internal

48:10

governance structures to minimize the kinds of conflicts that were discussed earlier between

48:16

business uses and residential uses so we encourage you to pursue that thank you

48:26

thanks Colin

48:34

oh whoops I just promoted Scott to panelist

48:41

I think there we go

48:47

hi scott sorry about that so should I click attendee or panelist um attendee because if you if you click

48:54

panelists I’m gonna have to kick you out after you’re a panelist I thought I got in a decision-making chain if I did hey you

49:00

could you could always apply to join our Economic Development Committee we don’t have any vacancies right now

49:06

but when we do oh great go ahead thank you

49:11

um yeah I’m scott mcbain um we own a business just on the edge of the Gateway area

49:17

and um i’ve been encouraged just by hearing

49:22

what jen had to say today so I guess

49:28

to me the gateway plan from kind of our local surrounding area and talking with

49:33

other business owners has kind of dug itself into a little bit of a hole because of the

49:40

[Music] the lack of emphasis on the business part of things and

49:46

for us um  an important part of smart growth is is a healthy community that

49:51

has jobs it has has good paying jobs not just minimum wage jobs it has diversity

49:57

in those kinds of businesses with houses um and the tone of the current gateway plan

50:04

um was really problematic on a lot of um things in the zoning the zoning issue is one

50:14

being called blight wasn’t very helpful either as far as just setting a tone of the

50:19

existing businesses that are down here so one question just to put a pin in it for

50:25

jen is just we still don’t know what the process is for based on all this input

50:31

what is the next step on the gateway plan like is there going to be a revised draft that

50:36

hopefully the city can dig itself out of this trust hole with some of the local businesses and community members

50:43

that would be helpful just to know because it’s causing a lot of anxiety amongst the folks down here because they

50:49

don’t know what the next steps are and a lot of this input just feels like it’s going into a black hole that will

50:54

never see  any results from it so if you can just put a pin on that

51:00

um one thing that would be really helpful in developing the gateway plan itself is to

51:05

develop future population goals that drive this um as part of this this trust issue that

51:12

I mentioned  um 3 500 units or 8 300 people

51:17

doesn’t really make I mean it’s not like a real number it’s just something that was thrown out there

51:23

and so that really kind of undermines like what kind of planning is actually going into this it would be really helpful if

51:30

the city developed a future population goal that’s based partly on

51:35

the arenas as well as just what we think the city is going to be to develop the housing goals for the

51:42

Gateway area and I think what we would find is that that would leave lots of room for

51:47

a greater emphasis on business development um as mr ponto was getting at

51:53

um we’re seeing we’d really like to see way more emphasis on incentives to get

51:59

businesses in here and the tone of the current document is discouraging existing businesses and I’m hoping that

52:05

we can overcome that some of the things that that you’ve said tonight helps but I think we have a ways to go

52:12

um and I’m hoping that the Economic Development Committee can help the city

52:18

on finding ways to achieve a more balance a better balance

52:23

in this plan with residential and businesses they need to go hand in hand

52:28

as part of that foundation for a healthy community and I just I have concerns the current

52:33

plan doesn’t have that and that’s giving us a lot of concern

52:39

um one quick thing on the the zoning and the allowable use

52:44

that’s also been um something that’s a new thing that that um jen that you had

52:50

mentioned today is that um that only five businesses would be non-conforming

52:56

that’s quite a bit different than what we’ve been told on the the city walks

53:01

so that that that number was going to be much higher verified again hopefully a revised draft of the gateway

53:07

plan specifically what that means because it’s pretty vague right now and I also wanted to point out that

53:13

allowable use um while you’re you may have an allowable use

53:19

you’re being put into a zoning it doesn’t equal zoning conformity so

53:25

being in a non-conforming zoning introduces a lot of uncertainty about

53:30

the future of that business and  you have vested rights to maintain that use

53:37

in the face of a zoning change but your ability to expand that non-conformity um does not exist um from

53:45

my understanding so if you expand your non-conforming use that’s not allowed so that’s where it

53:51

gets into this issue of whether an existing business like a auto repair shop or something if they want to build

53:57

another bay that that would be expanding their non-conformity and that would not be allowed and that’s what we’ve been

54:03

implied on some of our field walks is that that would not be allowed and that’s really con concerning to

54:11

existing businesses in that area so it’d be really helpful to clarify that because that’s part of the

54:17

whole that I think that’s kind of been dug with the existing the draft plan so kind of our suggestion is why change

54:24

the zoning just expand the allowable uses within the existing zoning that does emphasize residential

54:30

that would provide that that surety to the existing businesses that may be a non-conformity

54:36

so um anyways I that’s we would really like the the

54:42

Economic Development Committee to help solve these problems um and I’m really encouraged as well on

54:50

the on more detail on ways to improve the ability for equity in housing that’s

54:56

just going to be really important again for a healthy community i’d love to see way more detail in the

55:02

plan on how we may be able to do that there’s some really smart people out there that can help us on that and i

55:07

hope you guys can take advantage of those folks to help develop those thank you

55:27

go ahead anthony thank you hi everyone my name is anthony and i’ve been in humboldt county since I was 12

55:33

years old about 20 years now I’m an arcade resident and I do a lot of networking with local businesses i’m

55:40

kind of building up a network of productive interests but that’s not the point right now I wanted to get into

55:46

a lot of what other people have been saying and also to thank you all for

55:51

considering ways to help people own residents in these homes because I guess

55:58

the main point is that Arcata has to benefit from the developments if there’s

56:03

going to be a large amount of growth here then it’s probably wise to consider the the existing infrastructure and how

56:09

we’re already handling the growth that is coming now so my basic point is why

56:15

would we build a whole lot without improving the existing infrastructure and that may be a good way to use those

56:21

state funds for development would be to incentivize current businesses to grow

56:26

and expand their operations and that would be something that I think would fit the attitude that a lot of us

56:33

in our cater are feeling is that if there’s state funding and a need for population growth the plan has to reflect arcadis culture and its best

56:40

interests and also I think that it’s important that we have a little bit better outreach because it’s not really easy

56:47

for everybody to follow on facebook what’s happening and make their way to the meetings it might be good to post

56:52

like a block party or something like that and do it real responsibly and with the community in mind to make sure that

56:59

everybody gets their input and because this community has always been about community sustainability and we have a

57:05

local business culture that is loved by many people who not only live here and I think that if we do this

57:11

right we can make an impact in what we do from here forward I don’t want what happens from here forward to destroy

57:17

Arcata and make it like everywhere else in california and I think I speak for not only myself thank you

57:25

thanks anthony

57:32

hi aaron hey guys one of the uh unintended consequences of

57:39

the proposed gateway plan is the forced relocation of businesses that rent space

57:45

in the infill area take for example 1309 11th street where

57:50

brio bakery country living flora renaissance computing youth ability thrift store

57:56

northern humboldt union high school districts community integration and employment program operate

58:02

uh this building employs around 50 people probably more right now while

58:08

providing much needed services for Arcata we’re all renters from kramer properties

58:14

currently the zoning density does not provide kramer an incentive to build housing which has allowed a business

58:19

community to thrive despite a housing crunch if the city re-zones and he finds that residential will be more profitable than

58:26

commercial where will we go and it’s not just us at 1309

58:31

think about minority-owned businesses like jiminez glass and all the artists that uh represent

58:37

what’s great about Arcata like like in the kinetic sculpture lab which is also their renters in the gateway

58:43

area so I think you just have to understand that in the business community there’s a lot

58:50

of renters in the Gateway area um and we’re feeling at risk for relocation

58:56

um in my in personally I i work with this northern humboldt union high school districts uh

59:03

community integration program and provides employment for adults with developmental disabilities

59:10

we also our proximity to Arcata high is very important because that’s the training grounds for people with

59:16

disabilities to get work experience there’s also the students that are going to school there that are able to walk

59:22

down and kind of do a transition into the employment experience

59:28

I mean I just don’t see if we’re out in alder grove or happy valley or wherever that is

59:33

um or even little lake industries which I that feels like that’s going closer to sea level rise to me but

59:40

um I just don’t see how we can do it so I think that it’s it’s worth considering

59:46

that uh  we do want to make some rentals  available for residents

59:51

but we have people that are currently renting in the Gateway area and we don’t

59:56

have the power to say okay well  it’s our choice  whether we want to

1:00:03

stay there or build or do whatever we don’t have a choice if our if our landlord says hey this is  I i

1:00:10

see I can build a seven story place I can replace my five tenants with whatever 72 tenants or whatever it could

1:00:16

be uh I feel like that’s it’s just given an incentive to relocate us and so I think

1:00:24

it’s pretty important for you guys to think about that as we move forward thank you

1:00:30

thanks erin okay we’ve got one more oh

1:00:40

chris uh hello yeah uh thank you uh for your presentation jen

1:00:46

that was good I mean you uh brought to the table some language that was definitely lacking

1:00:53

in the proposed gateway draft and um I mean  a lot of the

1:01:00

concerns I think and the fires that have arose out of all this has to do with the presentation with

1:01:06

that gateway draft and um it really didn’t have a lot of

1:01:11

the language that it could have to uh to help people understand

1:01:17

a lot of what’s going on um it sounds like uh either there’s been

1:01:22

some backtracking or there’s been just  the ability to discern some of

1:01:28

these issues that people are having I still would agree with what walter said that

1:01:35

there needs to be some specific language written into whatever

1:01:40

becomes the plan that gives uh folks some sort of um

1:01:48

assurance  that they’re not later down the road I mean you’re you’re removing land use

1:01:53

existing codes and you’re replacing those with others that are diluted as far as what the current use is so

1:02:01

I i tend to think what scott said makes a lot of sense  you could move some of it in the other

1:02:07

direction where you leave the codes and the land use forms the same and you add

1:02:12

those uh allowable uses for folks that want to build housing on and get away from light

1:02:18

industrial uses and it kind of relieves the tension from the other side of it so maybe instead of a blanket

1:02:26

zoning for the entire 138 acres you could do some more groupings that would

1:02:31

make a lot more sense for things but anyway that’s there’s a lot of discussion that could go on and I know uh

1:02:38

we keep trying to discuss we we’re not getting a lot of mirroring back or reflection with what we’re saying and

1:02:45

we’re waiting to hear that but uh definitely your presentation tonight was a good uh form of that as a reflective

1:02:52

voice from the from the city so I appreciate that very much jen anyway um

1:02:58

yeah scott said so much what I wanted to say and he says it a lot better than I do so anyway thank you so much i’ll uh

1:03:06

let let anybody else talk that wants to thanks chris

1:03:12

okay I think we have one more

1:03:18

patricia was your hand up or did was it just up the whole time no I put it back up okay okay

1:03:24

so um anyways I kind of wanted to go through a little bit more I think um it

1:03:30

would be really useful if you guys went back and listened to the

1:03:36

planning commission meeting the prior one just prior um david lawyer I had a little bit

1:03:42

different take a different feel to um the non-conforming uses

1:03:48

and um if they were going to expand their business and what it would entail um it had and I can’t remember the exact

1:03:55

wording but it had a little bit of a flavor of well if it fits within the vision

1:04:01

of the Gateway area and what we’re trying to achieve then it would go through planning and

1:04:07

then be up with council as a vote so um anyways it was kind of

1:04:13

like if it if if it’s conforming to what we want to do with the gateway it’s kind of the language and it was um I think

1:04:19

that type of language is is very disconcerting for the businesses um

1:04:25

my husband and I actually bought our house because it was within

1:04:30

um the working area of Arcata and it was close to town but we really really like

1:04:38

that aspect of the mixed use I love taking my car to the mechanic and walking home

1:04:44

um and um and then  going then Eureka glass was there and um you

1:04:51

know uh I would have the electric I can’t think of the name gener uh the electrical general electric can’t

1:04:58

remember just an electoral and anyways over on samoa we go there

1:05:03

all the time and I just really really like the fact that we can walk to those light industrial areas

1:05:08

and businesses so and um another point that i’ve brought up in the past is

1:05:15

i’m really concerned of future light industry being blocked and barred from coming into the

1:05:22

Gateway area there’s not a lot of other areas for and  industrial limited

1:05:27

industrial um I know um there’s some polluted areas that

1:05:32

we’re trying to I thought it was become a dog park actually but um so I think that area is getting really

1:05:38

tight and I think for the viability of our community and our

1:05:43

city it would be great to be have like an open door welcoming door to those light industrial especially with cal

1:05:50

poly and can kind of piggyback some of those people um that want to stay in the area

1:05:55

and and open the businesses so anyways that’s I just wanted to add that to everybody else’s comments um I thought

1:06:00

were fantastic and right on and so thank you thanks patricia

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okay um I don’t know aaron did you just have your hand up

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again or was it just up am I supposed to take it down here you go okay I just wanted to

1:06:21

make sure if you had something else to say I was going to let you say it well that’s nice of you no I’m done thanks okay

1:06:27

thanks I didn’t want to miss anybody make sure we got everybody covered

1:06:33

um so i’ll just kind of address at least a couple things that I can address so we

1:06:39

are working on putting out information that’s really specific about

1:06:45

the timeline going forward uh david I think did bring some of that to the planning commission so

1:06:51

we’re working on getting some timeline and dates so that everybody will have that information up front

1:06:59

moving forward we will be going to the city council I believe on the 18th if not the 18th and

1:07:05

june 1st to discuss some of the engagement to date and the outcomes from that

1:07:10

engagement not just the open house I know a lot of people are really interested in the open house but we’ve done

1:07:16

uh what feels like a million um engagement events between

1:07:21

for the whole process so we’re writing up that um engagement engagement

1:07:26

information for everybody um we’re working we’ve been we’ve been working on that so trying to collate and process that and

1:07:33

get that out to not only the city council the community I know that that’s something that really is needed

1:07:40

we are planning a study session so that is something that has been in the works and will be really important for us

1:07:46

going forward yes this is a draft yes there will be edits to it and I know

1:07:52

it’s really frustrating that some of the some of the communities comments and and ideas haven’t been able to be

1:07:59

incorporated yet I know people would like to see it a lot faster than it’s happening um but at the same time they’d

1:08:05

like to slow it down a lot slower than it’s happening so we’re trying to balance so we’re trying to balance that

1:08:10

and also with some of the things that have gone on with our council members and with waiting to see whether or not

1:08:17

certain people were even able to participate in the plan it’s definitely

1:08:23

it’s definitely taken a little more time for us to get guidance I would say from city council so we’re we have an

1:08:29

election that’s coming up we’ll have a full council at that point hopefully

1:08:34

the idea is that we will then have some type of a study session where we can have more

1:08:40

conversation about the draft as it currently stands about the engagement about the input from the public that

1:08:46

we’ve received so far which is really important input and then start looking at

1:08:52

changes and start looking at how do we okay what sections need to be enhanced what sections need to be

1:08:59

adjusted what are the things that are just definite no goes I mean we really need to get this information and then a

1:09:05

lot of that will a lot of the definitions and some of the more clarity will come out in the um form based code

1:09:12

so there will be a draft of the form based code and I think that that will be really helpful um I know that that that’s one of the

1:09:18

things is that this this plan is isn’t real clear on some of the definitions and getting

1:09:24

some of those definitions really clear and out in the public will be helpful um let’s see

1:09:31

I love the idea of a block party I am down for a block party but only if I can have a beer at the block party at the

1:09:38

pub maybe would be a good idea I like that though I’m gonna use that um

1:09:44

I get the concern about the business center renters and and I’m definitely going to bring that back as well as the equity

1:09:51

the equity um component and community land trust co-ops condos those kind of things and making sure that that’s

1:09:57

that’s highlighted as an amenity in in our form based code that that’s

1:10:02

something that we’re really looking for with developers because I do I do get that um

1:10:09

trying to see if there’s anything else I can address while we’re here

1:10:16

um I would I would agree with what scott said about maybe the tone

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um I do think that that blight is not a real great way to to be

1:10:27

described and that’s um unfortunate that that was the way that this sort of started out

1:10:34

I don’t think that that area is terribly blighted I mean I’m sure there are some some business some places that

1:10:41

need to be fixed up there are definitely things that could be improved probably everywhere but I enjoy walking through that

1:10:47

neighborhood I am there almost every day um

1:10:52

on that trail and I think a lot of us are it’s something that a lot of people use and so it’s unfortunate that that

1:10:57

was the tone at the beginning um so hopefully I addressed some of the next steps

1:11:03

as far as population growth um we are working on some models for that and so

1:11:08

that is in the works right now and I think some more information will be coming out about that um

1:11:13

and yeah I hear the balance with businesses so really just making sure that we achieve a better balance in

1:11:21

the next version of the draft plan going forward and I appreciate the economic development committee’s

1:11:27

participation and and really your your questions and guidance and um and the public as well so

1:11:33

thank you guys I think that wraps up my oh well unless you’ve got something else

1:11:39

yeah well I just want to crystallize some of the things that I heard I mean because I think the public comment is so

1:11:45

critical to what we’re trying to do um the way I see this and one of my

1:11:51

concerns that’s kind of been really clearly daylighted especially with the conversation about removing current

1:11:57

tenants to  basically re rebuild their property into something that they can’t live in um

1:12:04

is you call it gentrification if you want but the idea of shuffling out existing people so that you can shuffle

1:12:10

in new people is gentrification um and that is not Arcata

1:12:17

and I do think we run a very very high risk of doing that um

1:12:23

the youth ability thrift store it’s an incredible cause I  i

1:12:28

they’ve done a lot um brio I mean  businesses like

1:12:33

that are so fundamental to this community and to shuffle them out so that we can

1:12:39

have  um dutch brothers in a little boutique

1:12:45

shop is not progress um nothing against dutch brothers i’ve been there plenty but um

1:12:52

it’s it’s I i I am picking up what people are putting down and I i completely concur

1:12:59

um I don’t know if there’s a way to prioritize which properties are

1:13:05

fast-tracked for development such that  you’re not  if there’s a business elimination like

1:13:11

that that’s a negative um so that you’re not  the the low-hanging fruit isn’t the place that’s

1:13:17

already got 18  businesses in it um and that’s the first one that gets wiped off the map

1:13:24

and that’s a very real risk so there are well there are key opportunities sites identified in the plan

1:13:31

so I would definitely take a look at that I don’t believe that any of the key opportunity sites are opportunity sites

1:13:37

that have a significant amount of rent to businesses except perhaps the barrel

1:13:43

district which we all know is where wing inflatables is um I think that that is

1:13:49

potentially identified in here but i’d have to look but there are yeah there the key opportunity sites are identified

1:13:54

in there so it’s something something to take a look at and dig into more and i’d be happy to bring that back um at one of

1:14:01

our next meetings if you guys want to talk about that and kind of highlight those on a map so you can see where they are and what’s there and just

1:14:07

sort of go through those a little bit more in depth because I think that that’s a good a good uh a good thing to highlight

1:14:13

yeah so I want to just clarify this I’m not talking about incentivizing development in places because if you own

1:14:19

a piece of property it doesn’t matter if they’re incentivizing building somewhere else you’re going to build where you own your

1:14:24

property um and if you have the means to do it that’s the way it’s going to go um

1:14:30

so it’s more of a um an acknowledgement of the negative

1:14:38

impact of developing certain sites I mean that may not be

1:14:44

even possible but I do think  not just prioritizing certain

1:14:49

places to make it easier for those to be developed but to acknowledge that a development that has a fundamentally

1:14:55

negative impact on the existing community is not where you want to start

1:15:03

and I don’t know how you do that but I do think it’s very important

1:15:12

go ahead Amanda I think you had your hand up next I just wanted to thank everyone for

1:15:18

their thoughtful comments and um I guess assure folks that the process of

1:15:24

public engagement is working in the sense that concerns have been raised adjustments to the language are

1:15:30

happening and  I raised that I also would like to understand what the revision timeline is and it seems like that’s being addressed so to thank you

1:15:37

all for for that response but um also to I think acknowledge that um

1:15:45

I think it’s everyone’s duty to make sure that we’re not also like spreading misinformation because

1:15:50

definitely had people up here on l street knocking on doors saying some things about the plan that were frankly

1:15:55

untrue and um of course when there’s uh vagaries then that creates opportunity

1:16:01

for that but um just to thank people who are engaging the process in good faith and

1:16:06

emphasize that I think this issue of um opportunities for equity building which is the answer to risk of gentrification

1:16:14

is something that this committee should stay engaged with it’s a topic of  key import to overall community

1:16:21

development and so definitely uh hope that we can continue to engage

1:16:27

with that and and just remind folks that I think to my understanding commercial properties right are

1:16:33

we have the opposite problem in commercial real estate here than we have in residential don’t we like there’s

1:16:38

more vacant than there are businesses and these market dynamics will always be shifting

1:16:44

so fear that something’s going to displace these on the other that’s impossible to um  to circumvent and it’s

1:16:51

always a dynamic atmosphere but if we make sure that all the  priority areas are put

1:16:56

in the plan it’s going to naturally mitigate that fear I think so um yeah just look forward to continuing engage

1:17:03

with this thanks Amanda have enough

1:17:09

well  um it’s actually I really would like to thank the public to be here and  having all these

1:17:15

inputs really they are very important for us and I just want to echo uh walter and

1:17:21

Amanda as a thought because when you are doing this kind of big project like really

1:17:27

have to do like both sides what are the positive impact they’re going to bring

1:17:32

here and then what are also the negative impact they’re going to have on the community so really  this is a really

1:17:38

important topic I need to have more conversation before even we uh go to the end so

1:17:45

uh really  important so for while we need to have more conversation and what how we can

1:17:51

contribute this com committee can contribute towards that hearing the public comments and adjusting those and

1:17:58

then putting the right recommendation to the city council thank you

1:18:04

yeah thanks there’s definitely more opportunity to to have discussion about this

1:18:10

and to really nail down kind of what this committee’s um recommendations are

1:18:15

are for the plan I think that that’ll be ongoing so hopefully

1:18:21

we’ll bring it back to you guys in june which at this point is only a few weeks away

1:18:27

so I think with that surge do we want to

1:18:34

move to yeah let’s move then to

1:18:40

item four number two discussion and recommendation on the upcoming

1:18:46

chair city council study session yes so serge you and I will be going to

1:18:51

the study session on the 31st and I think we kind of talked about some of the ideas for

1:18:57

what we wanted to discuss at our last at our last meeting

1:19:04

but I wanted to just nail down from the group and just make sure that we have like a good understanding of what you

1:19:10

guys would like us to talk about at that meeting so that serge has his kind of

1:19:16

marching orders um what i’ve got is obviously the

1:19:21

economic development strategic plan so that’s a big a big thing and really discussing the importance of updating

1:19:26

that plan um I think

1:19:31

the obviously the gateway plan the Gateway Area Plan and remaining engaged in that and the process as it

1:19:39

goes through the process is something that we want to talk about and then I had homeless impacts to

1:19:45

arcadis Arcata’s economy and ways that our economic development

1:19:50

committee can participate in assisting with those programs

1:19:56

so I’m not really sure if we want to clarify that a little bit or if there’s something else there

1:20:02

um and I think those were kind of the main topics that

1:20:08

I had but open to so those are the

1:20:13

the big three but I think there’s probably going to be

1:20:19

a lot of more technical kind of pieces maybe more applicable just having to do with the area with the gateway plan and

1:20:27

proper it seems like with all the all the different things I would imagine that that’s going to be

1:20:33

it’s a lot of what this study session is about is it just is it it’s broad it’s really broad it’s a

1:20:38

study session for each of the committee chairs so each of the committees so

1:20:44

energy parks us are going to be going to the study session to meet with city council

1:20:51

and just really talk about what our main kind of priorities are going forward and get maybe direction on if i

1:21:00

mean if we were if we were talking about something completely off topic they might redirect

1:21:05

us back to one of their priority goals and I think we’re going to talk about how some of what we’re working on

1:21:11

relates to their goals and how we can be more  maybe be more effective

1:21:17

and communication maybe communication styles between us and  our committees and making sure that

1:21:23

the council is getting that feedback I’m not sure exactly what they’re gonna what they’re gonna wanna discuss

1:21:28

but I think it’d be good for us to have kind of our hey these are the main things that we’re really talking about at our meetings and and working on and

1:21:35

and just making sure that that those things are on track

1:21:41

okay well I love it that’s the big three things I feel like that we do

1:21:47

as a committee not anybody else just to get in and and get more comfortable with what exactly

1:21:54

her function is and how we can function and be part of the whole general big picture of it and we

1:21:59

obviously get together ourselves and we’re getting comfortable within ourselves but it would be great and jen you’ve

1:22:04

been great not you’ve been really really awesome the entire time just uh taking your time and explaining

1:22:10

stuff to us and making us feel empowered  there’s never like a silly question you’re always there to answer

1:22:16

questions like I really appreciate you thanks sergeant

1:22:21

so besides those three is there anything else that you guys think that we should focus on or report back or

1:22:28

anything that we need clarity on that I can bring back to us

1:22:35

oh how not you had your hand raised well um so is this uh I mean it’s a I don’t want to

1:22:42

talk about regarding what uh you’re gonna have that I think those three points are good but uh are we going to end our you know

1:22:49

can I put some agenda item for our next meeting uh are we going to that process or yeah we can we can not we’re not at

1:22:56

this at this very moment at this item but during correspondence committee and staff communications we can talk about

1:23:01

agenda items for our next meeting definitely thank you

1:23:06

all right so everybody’s comfortable with those kind of three main topics and

1:23:12

okay great and serge i’ll be there to help with whatever I can thank you

1:23:17

yeah really appreciate it again i’ll have just come back from vacation so hopefully i’ll be tan

1:23:26

perfect all right so we’ll move into um item number four which I think I said

1:23:31

for the last time but this is oh is there any member of the public we should ask that wanted to have a discussion about the upcoming chair city council

1:23:38

study session that’s true I don’t see any so we can go move into

1:23:44

before okay we’ll move into number four business action items number one discussion or excuse me

1:23:51

so that was number four so then we’re on number five correspondence committee and staff communications excuse

1:23:58

me um which I guess is a great place for

1:24:05

whomnes last question about bringing something to the new to to another meeting

1:24:11

yeah so uh the idea here is uh  so during this election campaign I have

1:24:18

talked to many people and everybody has a concern that uh our businesses are struggling

1:24:24

um we need more help kind of  the idea so

1:24:29

so I teach like entrepreneurship at  our school

1:24:34

so I’m coming up an idea with involving our students uh to support our

1:24:40

local businesses so  I can work my with my students and then my students they’re

1:24:46

gonna work with the business and  just figure out  what can be done uh kind of  um working

1:24:53

together so it’s a both way uh helping our students to understand the business

1:24:59

and also find a solution for them so it’s a both way support supporting uh

1:25:05

students in terms of  understanding business and the business and our student also have a lot of experience we

1:25:13

do a lot of projects and like creating new venture um like doing

1:25:19

turnaround uh with the venture so I think it’s gonna be two-way help

1:25:24

so uh as a committee uh can we

1:25:29

just discuss about it and then maybe make a sub committee and  get

1:25:35

some feedback from the local community local business so that we can

1:25:41

help each other we can help the student and student can help the business to figure out what

1:25:47

can be done and I would be happy to write a grant for supporting our students so

1:25:53

business they don’t have to pay the money for that I mean basically i’ll try to get some money from  from

1:25:59

outside from different foundation uh but I would like to have that discussion in our

1:26:05

next meeting and  maybe we have to have a subcommittee to get the idea from the business uh then we can move

1:26:12

forward what what do you guys think about it

1:26:18

i’m thrilled I brought that up years ago at the with the presidential advisory

1:26:23

commission um to get [Music] to get interns into the local business

1:26:29

community which is roughly what you’re talking about but in a slightly different business development sense then I think

1:26:35

we we’re we’re missing a huge opportunity to not leverage off the university’s uh

1:26:42

uh acumen for lack of a better word thank you so yeah fantastic

1:26:51

yeah I love the uh I guess so the idea is that you want to connect

1:26:57

the student popular I just want to clarify to connect the student population to the local business

1:27:02

community is your main goal well the main goal is  so I have students in my entrepreneurship

1:27:09

finance class right and also we have a new venture so I want to work with our students and get them

1:27:16

some funding because I want to support them too so and they’re going to work with the business

1:27:22

and they’re going to work  like turn around like what is happening learning the problems what could be done

1:27:28

so they’re going to come up with a lot of recommendation or maybe they’re going to really work on the business so basically

1:27:34

my students they’re going to work with the business and they’re going to work with the business

1:27:40

to find the solution I mean  sometimes  a small thing could be

1:27:46

changed that’s gonna really make a difference the way the business to do so it’s gonna be opportunity for the students to learn

1:27:53

from the business and the business also have opportunity uh to get help from our students

1:27:58

so it’s basically and and I’m going to write a grant for that and I get funding for that so I’m going to support the

1:28:04

students so it’s it’s kind of not really intrinsic model but  it’s it’s a connecting the community

1:28:11

with the students and  it’s a community member or as a community organization or as a community it is

1:28:17

also our responsibility that we get involved our students in our

1:28:23

things right because so that they feel the sense of being uh being the part of the community

1:28:28

uh hs I mean cal poly is very important for us too as a community

1:28:33

so we can have a better link and it’s gonna be uh I mean  it’s supporting the

1:28:40

business basically the idea is supporting the business through student participation

1:28:45

probably they will be working for the whole semester uh maybe they will be working in in summer and work with the

1:28:51

business is not actually working like they are  selling the items or doing

1:28:56

things they are working with them and identify uh what

1:29:02

could be done uh in terms of  being more

1:29:07

uh like  being more uh I mean increasing the business or maybe

1:29:14

solving their problems so that kind of thing like it’s a more like venture perspective

1:29:24

yeah I support it I think that it would be great gen d dc

1:29:30

is that something you think that would be in our scope as an Economic Development Committee to continue to talk about

1:29:42

you’re muted jen I have this little button that sometimes gets pressed sorry

1:29:48

I was gonna say definitely I think that we could we could put that on the agenda and I think that that is something that would fall within our committee’s uh

1:29:54

scope and I really think that um community development at least our department has been

1:30:00

really focused for quite some time on ways to connect more with students we always have interns in our in our

1:30:07

department like pretty much all the time and um we’re always trying to do outreach at

1:30:14

hsu so tabling and that kind of thing obviously not during code because that wasn’t allowed but now we’re kind of

1:30:19

back to being able to do some of that and participate and it’s fantastic to have connections with

1:30:25

the students and to have the students be more connected to  businesses I think would be right in

1:30:32

line so yeah we’ll definitely put that on the agenda Amanda yeah I just want to say I think

1:30:38

it’s a great idea I used to run a similar program with a business school out east and we would also have our

1:30:44

students write case like business cases afterwards based on their experiences and I share an office was with uh sbdc

1:30:51

maybe they would want to support you to him nothing I wanted to take opportunity of the mention of subcommittee to remind

1:30:57

everyone that we’re still waiting to meet for the subcommittee and um  i’ve had

1:31:04

people actually approach me to talk about how they kind of want to launch their pierogi businesses etc and this is

1:31:10

held up so I’m not sure where we’re at with that

1:31:16

thank you that was something that was supposed to

1:31:22

get on the meeting that got canceled so I’m glad you brought that up that would be something we could bring back up to the next meeting too

1:31:29

yeah absolutely okay and we’ve got

1:31:35

oh I thought there was two people that were interested in commenting on this so i

1:31:40

are ready to open it up we’ll go ahead and add that to the agenda and then mako making sure that gets on the agenda for

1:31:47

next meeting is there anything else that anybody would like to have on the agenda

1:31:52

I think jin just a correction I think we were supposed to meet in subcommittee first gotcha okay okay back to the okay

1:32:00

and you guys all have each other’s contact right subcommittee I think we have we have to have you

1:32:05

connect us right okay

1:32:10

okay i’ll put that on my to-do list and then you guys can meet because I don’t think that by june you’re probably gonna

1:32:16

have much to report out okay fair anything else that anybody wants to put

1:32:22

on the agenda before I open it up for public comment

1:32:28

okay hi scott

1:32:34

hello again um I think that’s a great idea we do

1:32:39

we do that with um hsu students on technical things but not from a business management side and

1:32:45

when I went through the engineering program I had absolutely zero classes in business management

1:32:52

so um I still don’t know what the hell I’m doing but um I think it would be really a good learning experience for um

1:32:58

for both and it could actually help out some businesses so um I’m really glad that you brought

1:33:04

that up um second is I guess it also just spurred to me and some of our other comments not necessarily to this group

1:33:10

or this committee but to city council and others that um it kind of gets back to the gateway

1:33:16

plan is that there’s just a huge opportunity to integrate and build off of cal poly

1:33:23

humboldt in building opportunities for stem businesses like ours um

1:33:28

and it may be really helpful I don’t know if if you’ve got some thoughts on how

1:33:34

the university in a similar type of a pro way could help the city um encourage that kind of business

1:33:40

development since your dr ponte at the university can help

1:33:46

us encourage that sort of development within the gateway and within the city itself because it’s a huge opportunity that um

1:33:54

those kinds of jobs are higher absolutely that’s a really great

1:34:00

feedback scott well definitely uh I’m working with uh  engineering and other departments uh  I also have uh

1:34:07

other plan like  enriching the community with financial education and going to high school and in a community

1:34:13

and making presentation uh so really  I’m i’m trying to connect the business department with other

1:34:19

departments and also have the similar kind of things one of the thing I found in our university is uh

1:34:26

we are not really connected to the community and really  without connecting with the community  we cannot help each other

1:34:32

and so it could be a business it could be uh  technology it could be any other area engineering I think the

1:34:38

engineering program are more probably involved in the community but  the business other one they are leading

1:34:44

the community through different uh social service or different  um

1:34:50

servicing to the community through um like expertise and uh solving business

1:34:55

problems uh so definitely uh that I will take the initiative and I know I have my

1:35:01

colleague in my same department also I have uh  my colleagues in uh new venture

1:35:06

management program so we’ll work together uh and definitely  it’s my personal interest to be connected

1:35:12

with the community but we just want to guide our students and uh get them involved so that  they have

1:35:18

practical experience and also our business get more support like  I mean it’s a it’s for them

1:35:24

it’s an opportunity to get help and for us our students are exposed to practical world so that the

1:35:32

employment employment opportunity for them in the future is going to go up so basically engaging students helping

1:35:38

serving the community uh definitely uh i’ll work around on that thank you very much

1:35:49

a little bit one more public comment

1:35:57

hi anthony well howdy it’s uh it’s me and again I wanted to build off of what you guys are all

1:36:03

talking about um particularly um scott and dr ponta what

1:36:08

you were just saying I agree and was going to mention as well that a great way to help get students involved in the

1:36:15

community would to be for them to volunteer  doing things such as working in the community

1:36:21

forest or working in the community at the plaza cleanup and different things like that then they can see the problems

1:36:28

that are in the community and not only help businesses do what they’re doing already but come up with other

1:36:34

innovative ways and entrepreneurship kind of look at this program

1:36:39

and uh and that’s also the best way to get to know different business owners and people and things happening in the

1:36:44

community I can see some people being reluctant to having the intern come in

1:36:50

and tell them how to run their business but if a student is coming and providing

1:36:55

services and getting to know people and seeing what the culture and the significance of the services is then we

1:37:02

can all kind of uh it will bloom and grow from there and I really support the

1:37:07

idea and um will probably reach out and offer my assistance any way I can thank you

1:37:13

absolutely you can just search my name and you’ll find my email so always you can be connected

1:37:18

definitely but  I just want to have more more discussion so that  we can go exactly uh how we want to

1:37:24

do uh I want to have more perspective from the community members thank you

1:37:33

very nice all right and jane hi there jane woodward nice to see you

1:37:39

again um jen capps spoke

1:37:44

to the brown bag lunch program a week ago a week ago monday

1:37:50

and I suggested that they consider setting up a mentorship program because

1:37:55

we have so many people retired faculty business owners

1:38:01

professionals that are retired in the community that have the time

1:38:06

and would be interested in mentoring students in their professions there are a lot of us here

1:38:13

and whether they’re lawyers or engineers or geophysicists or whatever they happen

1:38:19

to be marine biologists there are lots of expertise in arcade and the

1:38:26

surrounding communities that if if the university were to reach out and

1:38:31

the city were to work with [Music] the university along those lines I think

1:38:39

we could have a very enriched mentorship program

1:38:46

we have things like equity arcade equity equity Arcata we

1:38:54

could have a mentorship talent program for Arcata and for the students

1:39:02

I also suggested that the university consider having because the issue was

1:39:08

how can you have that there’s so many rigid requirements

1:39:14

for your field like engineering or marine biology or whatever have you there’s very little room for

1:39:20

some of the um academic areas that kids should get exposed to

1:39:28

whether it’s arts whether it’s music whether it’s ethics and logic whatever it have a

1:39:34

philosophy that they consider setting up one credit programs that would be in essence enrichment you

1:39:42

know you don’t have to put in a full three credits but boy if you want to learn about logic here’s a one credit

1:39:47

course you can take and and it will count okay

1:39:52

and again you could call on um community members potentially to do some

1:39:59

of these things so those are just some of the ideas floating around

1:40:04

and and from an economic development perspective there are

1:40:10

many people I think around who would be happy to be business advisors to students

1:40:18

not just have them have to work for them or something like that but but simply

1:40:24

work with them um as a mentor so I think it would be terribly useful to

1:40:31

consider promoting that kind of thing in the community anyway thank you

1:40:36

thank you very much and uh well  it’s really  uh if we cannot connect with the community

1:40:42

like  we have a lot of expertise and definitely  one of the thing I’m trying to do is  like alumni

1:40:49

and  uh the uh emirates faculty and parish staff and  uh having

1:40:55

connection with them so setting up a system where we can nowadays is very easy to be connected like  we

1:41:00

can we just have to set up a system and have more students or faculty recruiting

1:41:05

uh in the members on that group so uh definitely  uh next uh you

1:41:11

know maybe a year or so we’ll have much more different situation I mean  a lot of faculty they retire and they

1:41:18

are not connected with the university I mean there could be a lot of help to the community a lot of students they

1:41:24

graduate and they are in different part of the country and there could be a lot of  help for the community in

1:41:31

terms of bringing the expertise or the resources so definitely that was a really really great uh you know

1:41:38

comment and I have taken all these notes and i’ll work slowly uh and and  I’m a

1:41:44

person and  somebody has to initiate that process and I already have initiated that

1:41:50

process so hopefully we can do something and let’s let’s continue this conversation thank you

1:41:58

thanks I’m enough the only thing that I had to share i

1:42:03

kind of shared already during my presentation but we were awarded the epa clean up grant for the little lakes property so that’s very exciting

1:42:11

um that’s a property that I know someone mentioned that it’s slated for a dog park it is that’s a very

1:42:17

small portion next to the marsh but the rest of the property will be open for business

1:42:23

business development so that’s exciting we’ve been working on this for a really long time it’s a property that’s needed to be cleaned up

1:42:29

um it’s just been difficult to get the funding to do so so

1:42:35

that’s that’s a really exciting thing and and there’ll be a lot more engagement about what happens the reuse

1:42:41

of that property um going forward so that’ll be that’ll be really exciting to see that

1:42:47

open up to opportunities for redevelopment you mentioned

1:42:53

directly adjacent to the marsh yep it is it’s directly adjacent to the marsh it’s um off ice street

1:43:00

so it’s the empty field that’s on the left-hand side that’s gated as you go into the marsh I think yep

1:43:06

high street yeah and it’s kind of a triangular shaped so and it um

1:43:12

butcher slough kind of goes around it uh and so that area there’s a lot of um

1:43:18

there’ll be wetland mitigations there’ll be a dog park kind of in that  closer to the

1:43:25

marsh area and then the front part of the property um the idea is that that would be for

1:43:32

economic development so businesses potentially um like a smaller business park it’s not a huge property

1:43:38

but it is still a pretty a pretty decent size um so  if you did a business

1:43:44

kind of condo sort of model you could put quite a few different quite a few different businesses in

1:43:50

there so there’s a lot of opportunity there there’s a lot of discussion about it in the economic development strategic

1:43:55

plan um and some of our other planning documents so if you want to we can we can talk

1:44:01

about that because I think that that’s definitely going to be something we do talk about as a group later on um

1:44:08

and it’s something that we’ll want to update in our economic development strategic plan but just the idea that we’ll actually be able to clean it up

1:44:14

and move forward with a reuse is exciting so

1:44:19

that was my only my only correspondence for you guys today so I think we’ve got some agenda items and

1:44:26

I think we’re good to adjourn whenever you guys are ready all right

1:44:32

well that was a great meeting thank you guys I loved all the public comment I think that it was great to hear from all

1:44:37

the from everybody and just kind of engage and ease everybody’s mind about

1:44:42

that everybody’s listening and we’re here and we’re all together so that sounds good so without further ado at 6 47 i’ll

1:44:50

call an adjournment to this meeting and we’ll see everybody next time

1:44:56

yep we’ll see you in just a few weeks bye everyone have a good day good night everyone thank you thanks everyone